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Scipio Artelius
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Posted - 2015.02.09 03:45:06 -
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Poor change in my view.
If people want to be the CEO of a Corp, they should manage the risks associated with the members of their Corp.
Switching the risk from the CEO to the awoxer is wrong for several reasons:
1. Eve is unique in the gaming community for its harshness. It provides a gaming opportunity for people not attracted to the many vanilla games that exist. Each of these changes just makes Eve more like the rest of them. It might attract more players for a bit, but not players that will stick around in the long term. They'll move from one flavour of vanilla to another and Eve will be the poorer for it
2. This move will just give rise to bad Corps and more recruitment scams. The exit survey data, or whatever data source CCP have used to evaluate this as the right move to promote Corp recruitment is just wrong. CEOs that are risk averse aren't going to suddenly change because of this. The awoxers will though. The risk will remain the same and the only thing affected will be the appearance of Eve turning soft.
3. Many CEOs deserve to have their Corp awoxed. Safari's bring a net benefit to the community in many cases. All this move does is make it easy for the unethical CEO to be unethical.
4. It will only encourage people to remain in highsec and never venture beyond that. Making highsec safer creates a larger gap between the safety of highsec systems and low/null systems.
5. Where is the consequence of chosing to use Concord for intracorp aggression?
At least add a tax to turn friendly fire off. At the moment it's a no brainer.
Why would a Corp have it on?
Where is the benefit to taking more risk?
The only answer is, they wouldn't have it on because there is no benefit.
It's the same as the clone tax just removed from the game. CCP made a good argument for the uselessness of that system and have turned around and introduced a new one immediately.
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Scipio Artelius
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Posted - 2015.02.10 10:23:13 -
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http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/2vaz9e/my_first_experience_with_a_corporation/
This is exactly why awoxing should stay.
If there were some requirements for people to be CEOs of Corps and all Corps had the best interests of their players at heart, I could totally get on board with this change.
But there is nothing that prevents jerks from forming Corps and being more of a negative influence on other players than any awoxer ever is.
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Posted - 2015.02.10 10:47:04 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:2. All corps will be able to recruit more easily, so this is a good change. Recruitment scams won't get higher since there's no change whatsoever to their routine. You clearly don't understand the concept of reverse safari.
Awoxers will adjust to this change. People who want to generate content always do.
Reverse safari will remain the best option to awox members of a Corp. So recruitment scams and reverse safaris remain tools available to awoxers in order to awox.
This change won't be a sudden 'Corps can recruit easier' solution. Risk averse carebears will remain risk averse carebears and just find other excuses not to recruit. Meanwhile awoxers will continue to use the mechanics available to awox. They'll just do it as CEOs instead of Corp members.
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Posted - 2015.02.10 21:01:33 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:..., I just pity the real newbs who get it, because it's kinda worse than horrible corps you all speak about, but can't give a single example. Look at the link directly two posts above.
It's direct evidence that your statement is wrong.
But of course, it will be ignored like it already has been because it doesn't fit the dialogue you want to push. That CEO deserves to be awoxed.
Quote:I am totally ok with awoxers adjusting to this change. I welcomed them to create content a few times in this thread already, and acknowledged that creative awox is content (while bashing that dumbmode awox isn't, and it really isn't). I also noted they are getting more opportunities in this world of new, more relaxed recruiting, for being creative in their scams. BS. You just hide your complete disdain for the playstyle behind a veil of 'yeah good for them'.
Quote:So far, however, it's cry-cry-cry Same old dumb argument. Goes both ways and is never productive to a discussion.
Carebears cry. HTFUers cry. Forumers cry. On and on. Gets nowhere fast.
It's the most ridiculous thing to include in a discussion because it totally closes off any possibility of further discussion by relegating other views to nothing more than tears. It's a mentally weak approach.
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Posted - 2015.02.10 21:12:58 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:4. Current state of hisec, with free suicide ganking, receiving buff after buff, is very unsafe - the only thing keeping anyone alive in there is the gankbears risk-averse behavior, laziness and badness. This change doesn't do anything to this - you can still suicide gank your mates, just now it FINALLY has consequences for the awoxer, which he had absolutely none before. How do you call it in your baseless superiority complex world, HTFU? Man up and suicide gank them, it's super easy, if you consider that too hard, well, maybe eve isn't for you.
5. Consequences are for actions, and the active side is an awoxer, so he should get them, which was finally fixed. You want targets? Pay for it. You might want to go and check my killboard before making assumptions about my own playstyle too.
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Posted - 2015.02.11 02:31:05 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote: don't see anything wrong with the way CEO handled this. If this guy wanted a lowsec corp and joined a hisec one, well, wrong choice, the hisec corp lives by hisec rules. Except that the Corp approached the player, not the other way around.
Corporations are not well explained at all as part of the NPE. New players in particular are 'vulnerable' (not physical sense, but in terms of their lack of knowledge and experience) to influence from Corps. As a result, experienced CEOs and recruiters should be taking the responsibility to properly explain their Corp and ensure that they only recruit people with like views.
Corps certainly shouldn't be so bad that the guy has to ask:
"Did anyone else have bad experience with their first corporation?"
Awoxing at least provided a mechanism to address that sort of issue. That you see no problem with giving bad experiences to new players is a little sad for the game really.
Does demonstrate where the personal interest in this lies though.
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Posted - 2015.02.11 07:41:30 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:Newbie is not supposed to be familiar with the corp etiquette of eve, but he's got the right to ask. Shifting the responsibility from the experienced players (CEO and recruiters and ultimately the CEO for all decisions made within the Corp) to the new player is exactly the type of poor leadership that has the potential to do way more harm to new players than a ship loss.
CEOs are leaders. They put themselves into a position of leadership. Unfortunately, for many Corps, that leadership is very lacking. The CEO has ultimate accountability for the way his Corp, through poor recruiting and his own behaviour, resulted in that opinion.
Unfortunately there are no requirements to open a Corp and lead it. Any fool can do it.
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Posted - 2015.02.11 20:54:41 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:You people have the wrong perspective on this whole issue Don't be such a prat.
No one's perspective is wrong. Each is just as valid as the other. That your's in this instance is in agreement with the direction that CCP had chosen to go is fine. Many of us have a different view. Those views aren't wrong and we are right to express them because we are all stakeholders in this game.
If all we are to do is nod our head in agreement all the time, then this game would be much worse for everyone being yes men and not providing meaningful and honest feedback and perspectives.
It is a feedback forum after all.
TL;DR: **** off with your smugness. What goes around comes around and I'm sure there are often decisions you don't agree with. Guess it'll just be tears when you want to express those views right? Argue the ideas not the people.
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